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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://allumination.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/why-fantasy-isnt-crap-and-sf-isnt-better/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds great - I&#039;ve mailed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds great &#8211; I&#8217;ve mailed!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Hunt</title>
		<link>http://allumination.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/why-fantasy-isnt-crap-and-sf-isnt-better/#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Al

Nice article - would you be up for me re-posting this piece on my SF zine over at www.SFcrowsnest.com as an article with all the usual attributions back to Allumination?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Al</p>
<p>Nice article &#8211; would you be up for me re-posting this piece on my SF zine over at <a href="http://www.SFcrowsnest.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.SFcrowsnest.com</a> as an article with all the usual attributions back to Allumination?</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely. There are two different but related things to tease out there, I think. 

First of all, there&#039;s the misuse of scientific rhetoric - so non-scientific disciplines or positions claim a scientific level of objectivity / rightness, in an attempt to gain an absolute, unarguable authority. 

Secondly, there&#039;s the faith that by rationally explaining aspects of the world, you can know the whole perfectly and thus dominate it in the most productive and right-for-all way possible.

Both different examples of spilt religion, and both equally dishonest (and destructive, when taken to extremes!). Ironic also that both should use a stance founded on open-minded, rigorous exploration to coat the subjective in a rhetoric that designed to deter any argument or exploration at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely. There are two different but related things to tease out there, I think. </p>
<p>First of all, there&#8217;s the misuse of scientific rhetoric &#8211; so non-scientific disciplines or positions claim a scientific level of objectivity / rightness, in an attempt to gain an absolute, unarguable authority. </p>
<p>Secondly, there&#8217;s the faith that by rationally explaining aspects of the world, you can know the whole perfectly and thus dominate it in the most productive and right-for-all way possible.</p>
<p>Both different examples of spilt religion, and both equally dishonest (and destructive, when taken to extremes!). Ironic also that both should use a stance founded on open-minded, rigorous exploration to coat the subjective in a rhetoric that designed to deter any argument or exploration at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your angle on this.  I also think there&#039;s another  unscientific aspect to the philosophy underlying some SF: the Rationalist notion that the world is ultimately entirely understandable through the scientific method is a profoundly non-scientific concept -- unprovable and unfalsifiable.  A year or so ago the New Scientist had an issue on fundamentalism with one article which, neatly, made the point that this sort of *scientistic* view is basically an act of faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your angle on this.  I also think there&#8217;s another  unscientific aspect to the philosophy underlying some SF: the Rationalist notion that the world is ultimately entirely understandable through the scientific method is a profoundly non-scientific concept &#8212; unprovable and unfalsifiable.  A year or so ago the New Scientist had an issue on fundamentalism with one article which, neatly, made the point that this sort of *scientistic* view is basically an act of faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Mer om sf kontra fantasy &#171; Landet Annien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mer om sf kontra fantasy &#171; Landet Annien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nu har jag hittat en annan bloggpost om samma sak, men möjligen en smula mer välformulerat: Why Fantasy isn’t crap, and SF isn’t better, av Al Robertson.  In this context, the claim that SF is superior to Fantasy because it is a more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Nu har jag hittat en annan bloggpost om samma sak, men möjligen en smula mer välformulerat: Why Fantasy isn’t crap, and SF isn’t better, av Al Robertson.  In this context, the claim that SF is superior to Fantasy because it is a more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://allumination.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/why-fantasy-isnt-crap-and-sf-isnt-better/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and on the subjectivity of science - much pondering on the uses of ostensibly scientific rhetoric, triggered by reading the ever fascinating John Gray - more on this to come...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and on the subjectivity of science &#8211; much pondering on the uses of ostensibly scientific rhetoric, triggered by reading the ever fascinating John Gray &#8211; more on this to come&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Aka - yup, I mean objective not subjective. Altered in the text, many thanks. Will see if I can find an Anglo-Swede BabelFish and run your thoughts through it. And hi Chris! Alas, this week is not good (deep story re-writing, then we&#039;re off to Venice for the weekend, hurrah!), will call tomorrow to see when is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aka &#8211; yup, I mean objective not subjective. Altered in the text, many thanks. Will see if I can find an Anglo-Swede BabelFish and run your thoughts through it. And hi Chris! Alas, this week is not good (deep story re-writing, then we&#8217;re off to Venice for the weekend, hurrah!), will call tomorrow to see when is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: åka</title>
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		<dc:creator>åka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post. I&#039;ve had nearly the same thoughts myself, and blogged about it recently (but in Swedish...)

Just one thing: &lt;em&gt;scientific method presupposes an innate respect for a commonly accepted, demonstrably true and entirely subjective set of truths&lt;/em&gt; -- do you really mean &quot;subjective&quot; and not objective? In that case, can you explain a bit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. I&#8217;ve had nearly the same thoughts myself, and blogged about it recently (but in Swedish&#8230;)</p>
<p>Just one thing: <em>scientific method presupposes an innate respect for a commonly accepted, demonstrably true and entirely subjective set of truths</em> &#8212; do you really mean &#8220;subjective&#8221; and not objective? In that case, can you explain a bit?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Billett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Billett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stover has some great opinions on genre relations... something along the lines of all fiction is a subset of fantasy... I&#039;ll dig up the full conversations sometime. Maybe in time for BEER THIS WEEK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stover has some great opinions on genre relations&#8230; something along the lines of all fiction is a subset of fantasy&#8230; I&#8217;ll dig up the full conversations sometime. Maybe in time for BEER THIS WEEK?</p>
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